And then you wonder if perhaps you've set your standards too high by holding out for a candidate with intelligence, experience, good interpersonal skills, and work ethic. Perhaps you should settle for three of the four...or even two of the four. Is a smart and likeable, but inexperienced and lazy, applicant better or worse than an experienced and hardworking applicant who is churlish and dumb as a
There's probably a good "Five Stages of Being a Hiring Manager" analogy in here somewhere, but I'm too tired to put it together. Instead, I wanted to comment on a statement one applicant made during an interview. He said his wife had recently lost her job due to the poor economy, and he was looking for a position in academia because it would be stable and "recession-proof".
I suppose in a way, academia can be considered "recession-proof" in the sense that it tends not to suffer from the massive layoffs or complete shutdowns of entire institutions that can plague other industries. And the fortunes of academic research institutions, while undoubtedly tied to the general economy in some way, don't appear to fluctuate with the volatility of the Dow Jones or S&P 500 indices.
But academic jobs are still vulnerable to changes in the "academic research economy", namely funding availability. One striking feature of the current applicant pool is the unusually high number of very senior technicians who have been working for the same PIs for 10-20 years. Some of them have great breadth and depth of experience, are co-authors on papers, and come bearing enthusiastic references from their PIs. And on application after application, the reason given for their leaving their current positions is "PI's loss of funding".
While it may be true that being able to work for the same employer for 10-20 years indicates greater stability than one might find in non-academic positions, I would guess these people are the exception rather than the norm among all technicians. And short of being tenured, there is no such thing as a "recession-proof", or more appropriately, "funding-shortage-proof" position, even in academia.
I was tempted to point this out to the applicant during the interview, along with the observation that job performance, rather than relative vulnerability to economic downturn, might actually be the primary driver of job security in academic positions. But I didn't. I figured my purpose was to determine whether I wanted to hire him, not to provide a reality check.
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"recession proof"--oh, thanks for the laugh!
And good luck on the hiring, by the way. Hmmm, if there a lot of senior, experienced technicians in your applicant pool, it would seem you'd have an easier time of it. Hope you meet a good one soon!
In my lawyer days, I had to hire summer clerks to work for me. I swear, I wonder how some of these people can function in society!
Bean-Mom--Thanks! And yes, it would seem that would make hiring easier. But the problem is that senior techs are expensive. They can make close to what junior faculty make, so the question becomes whether, for the cost of one senior tech, one should instead hire 2-3 junior techs, 2-3 postdocs, 4-5 grad students, or some combination of the above. Hmm...this kind of comparison of salaries is rather depressing, isn't it?
Seeking Solace--Heh...I've had that same thought myself! :-)
Wow, 2-3 postdocs? You're right, the salary comparison is depressing...
(And I now realize that means that the senior tech in my old lab is seriously underpaid!)
Hmm....good luck! I think that if I could only pick two, I'd go for good interpersonal skills and work ethic. If someone has a good work ethic and you have the time to train them, they can be taught. Although if they're super dumb.... geez...it's a hard one!
I'd go for the interpersonal skills. But that may be because I, personally, am sick of having a technician quite literally come in and steal my proteins that I spent 4 days purifying and use them *all* for her experiments rather than learn to make her own or ask me to make some just for her, and not be able to progress with my own experiments. Because frankly, I'd like to graduate at some point. And I don't like people who don't play nicely with others. Especially when they get paid twice what I do!
We're going through some changes in our lab right now, with a student just graduating and a technician leaving, and getting rotating students and this lovely new technician and whatnot, and from what I've seen, those who work hard and are willing to learn and can get along best with everyone already in the lab are most likely to succeed -- even if they don't have the most experience or don't appear to be the smartest. It's easier to teach someone a new assay than it is to remold their personality!
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Bean-mom--I'm taking into account the cost of an employee benefits package, which a tech would get but a postdoc wouldn't. So the salary differential isn't quite that big. Having said that, I've seen senior tech salaries that cover a $40K range, so they do vary quite a bit!
Unbalanced--Having the time to train them is exactly the problem. And I've worked with nice people before who were rather slow on the uptake, and it's so frustrating!
EtBr--I hope you taught the person who stole your proteins a lesson she won't soon forget! That kind of behavior is completely unacceptable and I think your PI should be told about it.
I would've completely agreed with your statement that it's easier to teach someone a new assay than to remold a personality...until I had the "pleasure" of working with someone who is the intellectual equivalent of cotton candy--sweet and fluffy, no nutritional value. Now I'm not so sure....
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It's precisely because a hard-working, 10-years experienced technician costs as much as 2-3 baby techs that these great techs will often stick it out in the same lab, even if it's not an ideal place to be. I have been told (when interviewing for positions in academia prior to working @ MassivePharma) that I was a perfect fit for a position but wouldn't be hired because I cost too much. It's depressing that being experienced and competent can be seen as a liability.
DGT--It's not the "being experienced and competent" part that's the liability, it's the "your salary and benefits will eat up one-third to half of my R01" part. Any lab would be crazy not to want to hire an experienced and skilled senior tech, but many of them simply can't afford one. Having said that, I'm surprised that person decided not to hire you without at least trying to work out a compromise with you on salary.
True, true - that's what I meant by my previous comment. We are an expensive bunch, that's for sure. I have found a lot more "lifer" techs here in MassivePharma than I did in academia (where they were mostly the "I'm just doing this 'til I get into grad school/law school/med school" variety). I guess that's what ends up happening with the current academic funding situation.
Bean-mom--I'm taking into account the cost of an employee benefits package, which a tech would get but a postdoc wouldn't.
And it's not like postdocs need dental care or retirement savings, anyway!
DGT--Hmm...I suppose most people in academic research are transient except for the faculty and some of the techs. It's certainly true that academic salaries generally can't match those of MassivePharma, so I can see why "lifer" techs might opt for that instead.
Silas--'Course not. Postdocs aren't planning on ever retiring--they love science too much. And teeth are overrated! :-)
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