Many hiring managers use the “airport test” as their primary screen. They think, “If we were stuck in an airport together for six hours, would I be able to stand this person.”
This test can easily be applied to academic science--"If we were stuck in lab together for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and 50 weeks a year for 4-6 years, would I be able to stand this person?" Some labs don't care about fit at all with regard to hiring, some labs consider no open hostilities in lab to be a good enough fit, and for some labs, fit is as important a hiring criterion as scientific talent.
Generally speaking, if your interview consists of a formal presentation and a meeting with only the PI, chances are this lab doesn't place a lot of emphasis on fit. Several of my postdoc interviews were like that, and I had to specifically ask to meet with other people in the lab. If you are scheduled to meet with lab members other than the PI, you should assume that they will be evaluating you, and that some component of that evaluation is whether they think you're a good fit. And if your interview schedule includes one-on-one meetings with multiple grad students and postdocs, plus lunch and dinner group meetings with the rest of the lab, that is a friggin' burning bush telling you that this lab considers fit to be very important.
My lab falls in that last category, and I have to say I personally think fit is incredibly important (which is, of course, one of the reasons I chose to join this lab). I've heard from other people in our department that we are known as "the happy lab". Well, we didn't manage to find 20 people who all largely get along with each other by accident. We select for people who would fit in well in our lab, and this applies to technicians, grad students, postdocs, and even undergrads working part-time in the lab. This may seem overzealous, but it really only takes one person who doesn't fit to increase tension in the lab (we know this because hiring processes are not perfect), so we try to spot the ones who aren't good fits and keep them out of the lab. And in doing so, we maintain a population of people who share the belief that fit is important, so this emphasis on, and selection for, fit becomes self-perpetuating.
Assessing applicants for fit is not just about whether an applicant would make a good drinking buddy or someone to hang out with, although those would certainly be pluses. It's really about whether an applicant would make a good labmate. For example, our lab has a lot of assertive and outspoken people, so someone who is very shy or timid might become marginalized. We are very collaborative within the lab--there are many joint experiments and everyone shares their reagents--so someone who is territorial or wants to work alone would not be a good fit. Everyone is expected to contribute intellectually to all the other projects in the lab by critiquing experiments and making suggestions, so an applicant who doesn't ask good questions about everyone's projects just won't cut it. Obviously, you can't learn everything there is to know about an applicant during an interview, but you can often get a pretty good feel for whether the applicant is "right" for the lab.
There's no magical formula for successfully navigating a fit interview--you can't always predict what a particular lab would consider a good fit, and in any case, you're not likely to totally hit it off with every single person in a lab. I know it's trite, but the best course of action is really to just be yourself, be nice, and see what happens. Don't kiss ass and for god's sake, don't assume you can dismiss the junior grad students because they couldn't possibly have enough power to derail your application. You'd think this would be obvious, but our lab has dinged applicants for either agreeing with everything everyone said (people who can't think for themselves don't make good labmates) or for being disrespectful to junior members of the lab.
The bottom line is that if you're not a good fit with a particular lab, you might not want to go there even if you do get an offer because you may not be happy there. Different labs have different cultures and personalities, and I think it's well worth going on a few extra interviews to find the lab that suits you rather than trying to force a fit with one that doesn't.
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I don't think my lab (read: PI's) places a lot of emphasis on the "fit" upfront, but the people that don't fit well don't seem to last.
Great post! I was working on one about fit and will link to this one. We just graduated our only non-fitter. The rest of us are already working like clockwork. It is awesome.
So true. GradLab acquired a non-fit postdoc (didn't ever want to chit-chat about data, while the rest of us gab about experiments constantly; got defensive when questioned, though we were quite a questioning sort of lab, etc) and it was awful.
That postdoc ended up having zero to one papers, max, out of the lab, partly because of the "fit" both with the rest of us and with the PI. So, a waste of time and money for everyone. That's why I think "fit" is important.
ScienceGirl--Yeah, I imagine it must not be pleasant for the people who don't fit either. After all, grad school and postdoc fellowships are challenging enough without being at odds with the rest of one's lab!
DancingFish--Thanks! I'll look forward to reading your take on it. Glad to hear your lab is a happier place now!
Dr. Jekyll--I agree it's a complete waste. I know everyone's different, but not wanting to chat about data with one's labmates is just silly. Some of the best suggestions I've ever gotten on my work have been during random conversations with people in lab rather than at formal talks, etc.
I don't know that I worry so much about fit between lab members when I hire someone- but I know I worry about how a particular individual will 'fit' with me. If a person 'fits' with me- they will fit within the lab.
Also- I try to head off problems up front. You are going to laugh at this- I sit people down on their very first day and lay out a few expectations for working together. I always feel funny saying them- because they seems o obvious- but it has become clear to me over the years that there are just some people who are unlikely to behave like adults and professionals unless I lay out my expectations for that in plain english.
DrDra, that sounds like an excellent idea! On my first day in a new job I always ask my supervisor how they like to work as regards frequency of meetings etc, but I've always been the one to initiate the conversation.
MadHatter, your lab sounds like fun! Both of my previous labs were labeled as "the party lab"!
drdrA, what to you say in this initial meeting?
CAE and Schlupp-
I just posted on this at blue lab coats, just for you...
DrDrA--I think your statement that if someone fits with the PI, then they will fit in the lab is less often true of really big labs like mine. For one thing, it is simply harder for lots of people to get along because of the number of different personalities involved, even if each individual person gets along fine with the PI.
Also, PIs of big labs tend to be a lot less involved in the day-to-day operations of the lab, which means they (1) spend less time vetting applicants, (2) are largely insulated from an employee's annoying behavior, (3) are less aware of personnel problems brewing in the lab, and (4) don't have time to micromanage lab conflicts. The result is that the PI's bar for fit is significantly lower than that of the lab members, since the lab members are the ones who will have to deal with the non-fitter on a daily basis.
Aside from that, I think it's a good thing for PIs to solicit and accept feedback from members of the lab, and not just with regard to hiring, instead of simply imposing their will.
CAE--Yes, I have to say that one of the best things about my current job is the people in my lab. They are terrific!
Mad Hatter-
You are right, I'm sure really big labs are much harder to manage (in many ways)- and personalities and fit become really important in the way a group works together. Another issue in these big labs is competitiveness and competition between very bright and ambitious people... this can sometimes lead to unbelievable friction as well.
And... PIs definitely become insulated from behaviors that disrupt the whole group - because they are not usually on the receiving end... you are quite correct...
Great post!
DrDrA--That's a really good point about competition between ambitious people in big labs. I think there is definitely a tendency for the "I'll get to the top no matter how many people I have to step on" type of scientist to apply to big labs. But so far we've been pretty successful at weeding them out!
EcoGeoFemme--Thanks!
"Different labs have different cultures," tee-hee!
Whitney--Huh...I didn't think of that interpretation when I wrote it! :-) Thanks for visiting.
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